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Lord Sojar · Jun 04, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Obama vs McCain. Hillary is playing some game, but ignoring her for now...

VS

What do you guys think? Any bets, and reasons for your bet? McCain proposed "Town Hall" meetings, away from podiums and big press and sound bytes, but do you think that he can stand one on one against Obama (who whether you like him or not is a great orator)? Can Obama stand up against McCain in the experience question? I want to hear some input from the Internet generation, and also some feedback from our Euro friends across the big lake. How do you think this election is going to turn out and what is going to come of it?

Snograt · Jun 05, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Hillary doesn't know when to quit - our latest intel suggests she's going to quit "tomorrow."

Obama will walk it - he's got all the right boxes ticked. Only way he can fail is if the rednecks think the vote is for Osama.

Nikki Moonlight · Jun 05, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

for some reason, I like Obama, even though I barely watch anything about American elections (being a European)...but to put it basically, anyone>bush, and Obama has some charm, and doesn't seem like a creep, although that'll probably change if/when he becomes president.

RedNova88 · Jun 05, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

The only real concern I have for Obama is that he only voted present when they were voting on abortion, or so I've been told. I'm not worried about his level of experience, he really seems on the ball.

MMSDome · Jun 05, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

So far its a close election but I am going to give McCain the edge because the other 2 candidates have way to much trash on them so far. McCain's one big problem is he hasnt had enough media time so he really needs to pick up on that otherwise he has not had big problems like Clinton or Obama have.

Obama is in a lose lose situation atm with deciding his VP. If he chooses Clinton there is way to much ego there and he risks contradicting himself as well as having a co-presidency, which would never work. If Obama does not choose Clinton many of her voters will switch over and vote for McCain (many are going to vote McCain regardless).

Unless the Obama campaign can find something good against McCain they are in hot water now and I really do not believe they have a chance at taking the election. The only good thing about Obama so far is that he gives a good speech which is inspiring but will not solve the issues facing our country, and our world today. We do not know enough about Obama and much of what we do know is not good such as many of his affiliations such as William Ayers, Rev. Wright, and several others. Obama will not be able to distance him self from these people as he has had close ties to all of them for so long.

So as I said earlier in my post, unless something big comes out against McCain the Republicans will be victorious once again in November.

lakatz · Jun 05, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

I would love to hear what Obama's solutions to our current problems are. I'm not reading the right sources I guess because all I've read so far is him saying 'Ur doin it wrong' about everyone else's solutions to problems without offering solutions of his own.

So I'd love if people would link to actual solutions he's proposed... not 'inspiring' eloquent rhetoric... I've heard enough of that thank you... just real solutions to real problems.

I did hear one that I like, but it's very idealistic and I believe years away from attainable... and I don't know if he's really the one who proposed it, and that is that he's going to have every law/act/bill passed by the current administration analyzed as to constitutional legality and have any overturned that aren't constitutional legal.

MMSDome · Jun 05, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by lakatz

I would love to hear what Obama's solutions to our current problems are. I'm not reading the right sources I guess because all I've read so far is him saying 'Ur doin it wrong' about everyone else's solutions to problems without offering solutions of his own.

So I'd love if people would link to actual solutions he's proposed... not 'inspiring' eloquent rhetoric... I've heard enough of that thank you... just real solutions to real problems.

I did hear one that I like, but it's very idealistic and I believe years away from attainable... and I don't know if he's really the one who proposed it, and that is that he's going to have every law/act/bill passed by the current administration analyzed as to constitutional legality and have any overturned that aren't constitutional legal.

It may be hard to find because he has not really done a good job discussing policy. He talks about where he wants America to go (ex. Health Care) but he doesn't explain how he would accomplish these tasks. He really does not understand what it takes to do the things he suggests and while much of what he said sounds good has bad consequences.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 05, 2008, 04:02 AM // 04:02

the magic eight ball says:

Obama

mccain is just tooooo old and toooo bush-like and we americans are kinda sick and tired of that (8 years was plenty thanks for the big mess you are leaving behind!)....

Many are looking at Obama as the next Kennedy....and no he wont pick miss clinton as a running mate if he wants to win in November (even J. Carter said that would be the biggest mistake he could make)....

Lord Sojar · Jun 05, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Well, since you asked... here is his plan on healthcare, very well laid out and easily found online (on his site...funny enough)

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Barack Obama's Plan
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All

    * Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:
         1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
         2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
         3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
         4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
         5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
         6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
         7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
         8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
    * National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
    * Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.
    * Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.
    * Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function.
    * Flexibility for State Plans: Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.

Lower Costs by Modernizing The U.S. Health Care System

    * Reducing Costs of Catastrophic Illnesses for Employers and Their Employees: Catastrophic health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers. The Obama plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums.
    * Helping Patients:
         1. Support disease management programs. Seventy five percent of total health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure. Obama will require that providers that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of care, give doctors better information and lower costs.
         2. Coordinate and integrate care. Over 133 million Americans have at least one chronic disease and these chronic conditions cost a staggering $1.7 trillion yearly. Obama will support implementation of programs and encourage team care that will improve coordination and integration of care of those with chronic conditions.
         3. Require full transparency about quality and costs. Obama will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care. Health plans will also be required to disclose the percentage of premiums that go to patient care as opposed to administrative costs.
    * Ensuring Providers Deliver Quality Care:
         1. Promote patient safety. Obama will require providers to report preventable medical errors and support hospital and physician practice improvement to prevent future occurrences.
         2. Align incentives for excellence. Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHBP will be rewarded for achieving performance thresholds on outcome measures.
         3. Comparative effectiveness research. Obama will establish an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans and their doctors will have the accurate and objective information they need to make the best decisions for their health and well-being.
         4. Tackle disparities in health care. Obama will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities. He will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care through quality measurement and reporting, implementation of effective interventions such as patient navigation programs, and diversification of the health workforce.
         5. Insurance reform. Obama will strengthen antitrust laws to prevent insurers from overcharging physicians for their malpractice insurance and will promote new models for addressing errors that improve patient safety, strengthen the doctor-patient relationship and reduce the need for malpractice suits.
    * Lowering Costs Through Investment in Electronic Health Information Technology Systems: Most medical records are still stored on paper, which makes it hard to coordinate care, measure quality or reduce medical errors and which costs twice as much as electronic claims. Obama will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records, and will phase in requirements for full implementation of health IT. Obama will ensure that patients' privacy is protected.
    * Lowering Costs by Increasing Competition in the Insurance and Drug Markets: The insurance business today is dominated by a small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. There have been over 400 health care mergers in the last 10 years, and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market. These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have skyrocketed by over 87 percent.
         1. Barack Obama will prevent companies from abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. His plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. His new National Health Exchange will help increase competition by insurers.
         2. Lower prescription drug costs. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans more than double the price. Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion. Finally, Obama will work to increase the use of generic drugs in Medicare, Medicaid, and FEHBP and prohibit big name drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.

Fight for New Initiatives

    * Advance the Biomedical Research Field: As a result of biomedical research the prevention, early detection and treatment of diseases such as cancer and heart disease is better today than any other time in history. Barack Obama has consistently supported funding for the national institutes of health and the national science foundation. Obama strongly supports investments in biomedical research, as well as medical education and training in health-related fields, because it provides the foundation for new therapies and diagnostics. Obama has been a champion of research in cancer, mental health, health disparities, global health, women and children's health, and veterans' health. As president, Obama will strengthen funding for biomedical research, and better improve the efficiency of that research by improving coordination both within government and across government/private/non-profit partnerships. An Obama administration will ensure that we translate scientific progress into improved approaches to disease prevention, early detection and therapy that is available for all Americans.
    * Fight AIDS Worldwide. There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. As president, Obama will continue to be a global leader in the fight against AIDS. Obama believes in working across party lines to combat this epidemic and recently joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle.
    * Support Americans with Disabilities: As a former civil rights lawyer, Barack Obama knows firsthand the importance of strong protections for minority communities in our society. Obama is committed to strengthening and better enforcing the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) so that future generations of Americans with disabilities have equal rights and opportunities. Obama believes we must restore the original legislative intent of the ADA in the wake of court decisions that have restricted the interpretation of this landmark legislation.

      Barack Obama is also committed to ensuring that disabled Americans receive Medicaid and Medicare benefits in a low-cost, effective and timely manner. Recognizing that many individuals with disabilities rely on Medicare, Obama worked with Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO) to urge the department of health and human services to provide clear and reliable information on the Medicare prescription drug benefit and to ensure that the Medicare recipients were protected from fraudulent claims by marketers and drug plan agents.
    * Improve Mental Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and conditions as other illnesses and diseases.
    * Protect Our Children from Lead Poisoning. More than 430,000 American children have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. As president, Obama will protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities be lead-safe within five years.
    * Reduce Risks of Mercury Pollution. More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood, and approximately 630,000 newborns are born at risk every year. Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.
    * Support Americans with Autism. More than one million Americans have autism, a complex neurobiological condition that has a range of impacts on thinking, feeling, language, and the ability to relate to others. As diagnostic criteria broaden and awareness increases, more cases of autism have been recognized across the country. Barack Obama believes that we can do more to help autistic Americans and their families understand and live with autism. He has been a strong supporter of more than $1 billion in federal funding for autism research on the root causes and treatments, and he believes that we should increase funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act to truly ensure that no child is left behind.

      More than anything, autism remains a profound mystery with a broad spectrum of effects on autistic individuals, their families, loved ones, the community, and education and health care systems. Obama believes that the government and our communities

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

So far its a close election but I am going to give McCain the edge because the other 2 candidates have way to much trash on them so far. McCain's one big problem is he hasnt had enough media time so he really needs to pick up on that otherwise he has not had big problems like Clinton or Obama have.

Obama is in a lose lose situation atm with deciding his VP. If he chooses Clinton there is way to much ego there and he risks contradicting himself as well as having a co-presidency, which would never work. If Obama does not choose Clinton many of her voters will switch over and vote for McCain (many are going to vote McCain regardless).

Unless the Obama campaign can find something good against McCain they are in hot water now and I really do not believe they have a chance at taking the election. The only good thing about Obama so far is that he gives a good speech which is inspiring but will not solve the issues facing our country, and our world today. We do not know enough about Obama and much of what we do know is not good such as many of his affiliations such as William Ayers, Rev. Wright, and several others. Obama will not be able to distance him self from these people as he has had close ties to all of them for so long.

So as I said earlier in my post, unless something big comes out against McCain the Republicans will be victorious once again in November.

I do believe McCain has more issues then Barrack does. Barrack may know some people that are less than great, but McCain has more lobbyists in his back pocket than Homer Simpson eats donuts in a year. This is going to be a big issue with him. In his defense, he seems fairly level and intelligent, but he has too many policies that line up squarely with our dear friend, Mr. George W. Bush.... which if you have a nerve stem and the ability to drool on yourself, you know is an idiot.

Obama definitely has my vote come November, but I think McCain will make a formidable foe, and this race could go either way. However, if McCain thinks he can go toe to toe with Obama in "Town Hall meetings", he is dreaming. If there is one thing Obama is, that is an orator; if there is one thing McCain isn't, that is a good public speaker. Obama vs McCain toe to toe in a debate? Good Lord... someone get the scrapper ready for when Obama grinds and spatters McCain into the dirt with his vocal boot.

MMSDome · Jun 05, 2008, 06:30 AM // 06:30

McCain only agrees with Bush on a few issues but in most cases McCain is quite liberal. Yes the media portrays McCain as some "Center of the road republican" but he is a left leaning Republican. McCain would not be a third Bush term, that claim has very little ground.

Regarding the town hall meetings I do not get why you think Obama would be so strong. Obama struggles when it comes to not having a planned speech and having to answer to voters with out a pre plan. Yes McCain may have speeches that put you to sleep but he would blow Obama out of the water when it comes to answering questions voters have because once again, Obama struggles without a planned response. Really dont get where you get off saying he would totally crush McCain as he would.

Lord Sojar · Jun 05, 2008, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Obama has an uncanny ability to use the English language to its fullest. He did very well in the debates against Clinton, effectively "winning" almost all of them in most peoples' viewpoints. While I do feel that McCain is different from Bush, he still holds too many of his ideals, and that will not bring this country out of the ditch we have driven ourselves into. However, do not mistake me for a blind Obama supporter because he has pretty speeches. I think Obama has his flaws, but hope isn't a flaw.

Obama has a bit of "High hope syndrome", but I would rather have that than McCain's economic policies, and especially his environmental policies, or lack thereof. The war is a big issue, yes, but I am trying to look beyond that minus the economic implications.

McCain, let's face it, fumbles with words. He has been a flounder as of late, particularly when he is cornered. He balls up when directly questioned in a negative fashion. He has confused many geopolitical entities, and asserts that talks with our enemies are somehow wrong (when just 3 years ago, they were a perfectly alright idea). I like McCain, but I don't like him enough to want him to be President. He can be a Senator, and perhaps even play a bigger role (provided Obama is bipartisan as he promises to be) I just don't want McCain in the presidential role. There is something I don't quite trust about his persona, and it just feels too much like I would be casting a vote for Bush, not McCain, despite their obvious differences in areas.

(BTW, Obama planned very few of his speeches, most were on the spot, and unlike the other candidates including Mrs. Clinton, when it is preplanned, he writes it himself )

Tosha · Jun 05, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

I hope it will be Obama. Thankgod I dont have to vote (being european

), but I am crossing my fingers for Obama. For all the reasons stated above

But deep in my heart I fear (and know) it will be McCain, and nothing will change.

Daenara · Jun 05, 2008, 10:26 AM // 10:26

You mean, all the fuss, and all of the campaigning, and all of the money spent wasn't for the election, but only to see who could run for election? o.0 American politics confuse me...

lakatz · Jun 05, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Obama has an uncanny ability to use the English language to its fullest. He did very well in the debates against Clinton, effectively "winning" almost all of them in most peoples' viewpoints. While I do feel that McCain is different from Bush, he still holds too many of his ideals, and that will not bring this country out of the ditch we have driven ourselves into. However, do not mistake me for a blind Obama supporter because he has pretty speeches. I think Obama has his flaws, but hope isn't a flaw.

Obama has a bit of "High hope syndrome", but I would rather have that than McCain's economic policies, and especially his environmental policies, or lack thereof. The war is a big issue, yes, but I am trying to look beyond that minus the economic implications.

McCain, let's face it, fumbles with words. He has been a flounder as of late, particularly when he is cornered. He balls up when directly questioned in a negative fashion. He has confused many geopolitical entities, and asserts that talks with our enemies are somehow wrong (when just 3 years ago, they were a perfectly alright idea). I like McCain, but I don't like him enough to want him to be President. He can be a Senator, and perhaps even play a bigger role (provided Obama is bipartisan as he promises to be) I just don't want McCain in the presidential role. There is something I don't quite trust about his persona, and it just feels too much like I would be casting a vote for Bush, not McCain, despite their obvious differences in areas.

(BTW, Obama planned very few of his speeches, most were on the spot, and unlike the other candidates including Mrs. Clinton, when it is preplanned, he writes it himself )

Thanks for the bit on his health care plan. I suppose I should have mentioned that since that IS the only thing I DID hear him propose... a lot.

I disagree about him winning the debates. Again... maybe I was just reading the wrong sources, but all the political analysts I read said Hillary won... every time. I think that's why she pushed for debates and he declined after awhile. That's why there were no debates before the last few primaries. Plus I watched audience meters in one debate on cnn (they hooked the 'undecided's up with dials to turn one way or the other to indicate their approval or disapproval) and they consistently went up to 70, sometimes 90% when she was talking, and barely skimmed 50% most of the time with Barack. It was a mind altering experience.

Truth be told. He way outspent Hillary. He had ads running all the time in every state. She couldn't afford the ads like he could. And let's face it. Most of the US citizenry would rather watch primetime episodics than political debates so their exposure to the candidates was mostly during breaks in the regular programming. And that was mostly to Barack.

Both the Clintons fail at manipulating the press. Bill didn't do near as good a job as his opponents and they continued to manipulate the press long after he won the election and was in office. Barack's campaign's been very deft at manipulating the press as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the false stories that had to be continual squelched were bought and paid for. I was interested to hear even an Obama supporter voice suspicion about the origins of the false AP story this last Tuesday... the timing was just too highly suspicious.

I disagree about Obama's speeches as well. Some of his responses in some of the debates seemed very rehearsed. That's irrelevant anyway... because eloquence does not equal good leadership skills and is in no way a sign of good leadership skills.

Something else I want to point out about Obama that a lot of people don't understand. There's a very valid reason Hillary had the senior vote. A while after Confucius passed his 50th birthday, he said he wished he had 50 more years because he really didn't 'get it' until he after he was 50. I mention that because the same thing happened to me... and to other people I've discussed the phenomenon with, and I can very much relate. Passages... they're real. After 50 there comes a peaceful kind of 'knowing.' Of course, you could call it wisdom... because wisdom is a natural byproduct of experience, but it's even something more. And to us seniors that are paying attention Obama has knowledge, he has intelligence, he has eloquence but he doesn't have much wisdom and he doesn't have that 'knowing' yet that I really want a leader of this country to have.

As to McCain... I want to keep an open mind, but I'm stuck on him saying we could be in Iraq for another 100 years, and it didn't matter to him. Ouch... scary stuff.

Turtle222 · Jun 05, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Obama. Ironically despite being considered an african american, Obama is only halfcast. If he was to wear a dashiki on his manifestos then i don't think he would have beaten hilary simply because his culture isn't showing.

RiKio · Jun 05, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

I´ve only an advise for you, Americans:

WATCH OUT.
. Im not American, but these elections seem the Spanish ones, because all the politic parties in the world are almost the same....

McCain seems the typicial republican. You know, a bit conservative and so more. But after readin´more about him, I´ve found that he has slitghly splitted from the uber-conservative ideals of his party.....so I would vote him if im not satisfied with the Democrats

Obama. Reminds me Zapatero.. So I think he, as zapatero, will be elected for be teh presidorz.

Hillary. Sorry, I have no previous role models for making an opinon

But I think womens would have a key role......

lakatz · Jun 05, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

the magic eight ball says:

Obama

Many are looking at Obama as the next Kennedy....

Raise your hands if you remember the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Kennedy did that. Proof positive of the dangers of confusing image w/ leadership skills. I still wonder if that's not what got him killed. A lot of things changed after that. That's when the CIA was stripped of their power to operate without restraint.

EDITED to add link to Bay of Pigs summary:

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and no he wont pick miss clinton as a running mate if he wants to win in November (even J. Carter said that would be the biggest mistake he could make)....

Hi Cosy...

FYI, did you vote in the election that Jimmy Carter conceded hours before the polls were closed? He denied a lot of us on the West Coast and in Hawaii our vote, and that foolish move on his part triggered the mandate for the media to keep all election results quiet until ALL the polls were closed. He lost in a landslide because he was an incredibly ineffectual President in his previous term... which makes me wonder why you would consider anything he says as 'gospel'? As a matter of fact, the polls comparing Hillary vs McCain and Obama vs McCain say quite the opposite. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...inton-224.html check out all the tabs.

We'll definitely have a Democratic administration if Hillary is on the ticket. Otherwise at this point in time it's not likely. Polls skew strongly in favor of Reps over Dems because when it gets down to the actual election, Reps historically turn out in much greater percentages than do Dems, and a 1 to 3 point lead like Obama has in most polls just ain't gonna cut it. Not to mention the fact he's lost in the all-important swing states and Hillary has won.

MMSDome · Jun 05, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

How can you not trust McCain but not Obama?! With McCain you know what you are getting, you know McCain is presidential material and he can withstand the job because he has EXPERIENCE. Obama does not have the experience, hell he has no executive experience at all. All past presidents in the 20th century have been either Governors, vice presidents, or both. Obama hasnt been any of those things.

The presidency is not a internship its a job that you need to know what you are doing and you dont want to take a risk with Obama. The top leadership of this company is a position you dont take risks with and Obama is a risk. I dont want a man that cant be trusted.

Hell even though I despise the Clintons I would feel safer with a third term of Bill Clinton then one term of B. Hussein Obama. I dont trust Obama and neither does half the country.

Kanyatta · Jun 05, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Not to flame or anything, but the Democrats have had the November '08 election locked up since about 2006, when Bush's approval rating hit the low 30s.

I hope Obama chooses John Edwards for Vice, I think he'd be the best choice, and he'd get a few more middle-class white votes.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 05, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

sorry lakatz the first time I got to vote was for regan....but I remember alll toooooooooo well the peanut years (and if I had been old enough to vote I would NOT have voted for carter).....
I am not saying WHO I am voting for....but what I have heard (I do stay up late watching tv and the only thing on other than infomercials is the 'news' channels----and I have only restated what I have heard...so dont bash the messenger please).

however I am very happy that we will not have another clinton administration as one was plenty (as the 2 bushs have more than pointed out).

the political fervor right now is that the people dont want another bush--and people are still doing the math mcain=bush...so that is what is pushing the obama vote...and if miss clinton does as she promises then he will also have her supporters too....thats just a bit hard for mccain to overcome.